Love this...Kingdom IS the word and the reason!! "Thy Kingdom come Thy Will be done on earth as it is in heaven". is THE prayer of prayers!! I say it multiple times a day. Not my will but Thy Will!!
This is a perspective I have not come across before, Thad, thank you for doing the work to bring it to our attention! I always pray the beginning of the Lord's prayer when I pray each morning, and mean the words, but now they will have even more significance.
Question, what do you think happens to the souls of the dead who die in Christ in the Millennial Kingdom? Do you believe they immediately translate into their permanent, glorified bodies and join the rest of us in the Millennial Kingdom? I believe those who die outside of Christ, join the damned in Sheol, waiting with the rest of the unredeemed for the Great White Throne Judgment.
Thank's Robin. That the prayer now carries more weight is exactly the point. "Your kingdom come, Your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven" is not poetry; it is a petition for the reign that is coming.
I occurrs to me, starting with Eden and onto the incarnation, with the call to repent and believe for the kingdom is at hand (Mark 1:15) and onto Revelation where the Kingdom is finally fulfilled that the Kingdom is fundamental to the Bible.
Your question lands in a place where we reason with care, because Scripture does not spell it out in full.
Here is what we can say plainly. The first resurrection is complete before the Millennium begins, gathering the righteous dead to reign with Christ (Revelation 20:5-6). The second resurrection is the wicked dead, raised after the thousand years for the Great White Throne (Revelation 20:11-15). That leaves your exact case: those born in the Kingdom who believe and die before it ends.
Their souls are immediately with the Lord. That holds in every age (2 Corinthians 5:8; Philippians 1:23); to be absent from the body is to be present with Him, conscious and at rest. As for glorified bodies, the cleanest reading is that they are raised at the transition into the eternal state. Their resurrection still belongs to the first resurrection, the resurrection unto life, not the second unto judgment. I hold the timing as inference, not as a doctrine to insist on, because the text is quiet there.
On the unredeemed, you have it right. They are conscious in torment now (Luke 16:22-24), waiting in Hades, the New Testament term for Sheol, for the Great White Throne. Definite. Final. Again, thanks for your comment.
Love this...Kingdom IS the word and the reason!! "Thy Kingdom come Thy Will be done on earth as it is in heaven". is THE prayer of prayers!! I say it multiple times a day. Not my will but Thy Will!!
This is a perspective I have not come across before, Thad, thank you for doing the work to bring it to our attention! I always pray the beginning of the Lord's prayer when I pray each morning, and mean the words, but now they will have even more significance.
Question, what do you think happens to the souls of the dead who die in Christ in the Millennial Kingdom? Do you believe they immediately translate into their permanent, glorified bodies and join the rest of us in the Millennial Kingdom? I believe those who die outside of Christ, join the damned in Sheol, waiting with the rest of the unredeemed for the Great White Throne Judgment.
Thank's Robin. That the prayer now carries more weight is exactly the point. "Your kingdom come, Your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven" is not poetry; it is a petition for the reign that is coming.
I occurrs to me, starting with Eden and onto the incarnation, with the call to repent and believe for the kingdom is at hand (Mark 1:15) and onto Revelation where the Kingdom is finally fulfilled that the Kingdom is fundamental to the Bible.
Your question lands in a place where we reason with care, because Scripture does not spell it out in full.
Here is what we can say plainly. The first resurrection is complete before the Millennium begins, gathering the righteous dead to reign with Christ (Revelation 20:5-6). The second resurrection is the wicked dead, raised after the thousand years for the Great White Throne (Revelation 20:11-15). That leaves your exact case: those born in the Kingdom who believe and die before it ends.
Their souls are immediately with the Lord. That holds in every age (2 Corinthians 5:8; Philippians 1:23); to be absent from the body is to be present with Him, conscious and at rest. As for glorified bodies, the cleanest reading is that they are raised at the transition into the eternal state. Their resurrection still belongs to the first resurrection, the resurrection unto life, not the second unto judgment. I hold the timing as inference, not as a doctrine to insist on, because the text is quiet there.
On the unredeemed, you have it right. They are conscious in torment now (Luke 16:22-24), waiting in Hades, the New Testament term for Sheol, for the Great White Throne. Definite. Final. Again, thanks for your comment.
Your responses are so well-considered and helpful, thank you!
“Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God.”
— Philippians 4:6 🙏
Very insightful to see the connections here... I believe it will be an eye opener for a lot of people!